My name is Neely Fuller and I am the author of a textbook/workbook for victims of racism and I define racism simply as White Supremacy and every thing that I say should be questioned. Cause some of the things that I say are going to be unorthodox, maybe all of it. And its been my experience that whenever I make one of these presentations is the initial reaction is that non-white people, black people will be embarrassed, white people will be offended, but theres no way to talk about race, racism or counter-racism, tell the truth about it, and make recommendations based on that truth without that happening. that been my observation. Thats an automatic, thats a given. If you try to do it in a nice, what you call sanitized, pleasant way, you're going to evade the truth, and everybody's going to be in an excellent feel good session thats not going to solve a single problem, ever. Thats the premise. Its a problem that been around a long time, everybody from polititians, philosophers, to preachers, tried to do their best, they claim, to solve it. But nobody has. One of the secretaries of H.E.W. I believe once said that he threw up his arms in despair cause he couldn't get anything done in the workplace at H.E.W. because everything, every plan, no matter how ingenious, that was put in place, they ran into the quote/unquote "race problem" and it all fell apart. Which means that if this keeps happening over and over again, whether you're talking about a problem in housing, problem in the workplace, in a work section of the workplace, or in going in outer space, somewhere along the line is a big question mark about what are you going to do with "them". Meaning the colored people. It keeps coming up over and over and over and over and over again and then all of the machinations start from there. All of the lying, all of the "let's prepare to say this in a nice way", ecetera, ecetera, ecetera... We loosely call it racism, and we scatter that word around all over the place. Some years ago I studied it at least to my own satisfaction, I said what they're really talking about is two words "White Supremacy". That's what you're talking about. Don't let that word racism bounce around any longer and separate it from the term "White Supremacy". Which means, that if you're white, you're royal, basically. You might not have all of the trapes of being royal like all of the money you want, and certainly thats not likely to be, but you are in the royal category from birth. Someone thought of this idea a long time ago, it took off like a rocket, cause nobody had ever though of it before. Let do all of the world's business based on what color somebody is. ALL, not some, ALL of the entire world's business based on first of all pointing to a person and categorizing a person by color. Get that straight first. Then start figuring what are you going to do from that point on. Thats basic, thats what the system of White Supremacy means. It doesn't mean three or four people who are called skin heads or nazis riding around in a station wagon and yelling "nigger" out of the window. Thats the classic way of looking at it, that the narrow way of looking at it. White Supremacy is an entire system. Global system, wall to wall, floor to ceiling, that operates 24 hours a day and it has exact rules. The same exact rules that you would have to have if you were going to make a space shot. You can't leave anything to chance what-so-ever. Everything has to be very carefully orchestrated. And like I said, everything that I say should be, must be, questioned. Cause I'm not an expert on what I'm talking about. Why wouldn't I be an expert? Cause I'm a victim of it. If I was an expert, I would be a victim. The only experts in the field of White Supremacy are who? The White Supremacist themselves. They are the only people who know how they put that apparatus together, they're the only people who, right now, know how to take it apart. This is why white people who don't want to be racist or say that the race problem should be solved, should be about the business of taking it apart. Now I have some slides up here that were produced for me. The Color of People and How to Produce Quality Relationships in the Workplace. Well, the workplace is an excellent place to start, but, actually quality relationships should be everywhere. Cause that's what you should be producing in place of the system of racism. See if you take something away, you have to put something in it's place, that's what I call the law of compensation. People in the scientific field they know something about vacuums and all like that, something will fill that vacuum. Even space fills the vacuum. Space probably is what we call a vacuum. Its a filling of some type. You might can look at it that way. But when you take away the system of White Supremacy you have to replace it with something that works. Naturally that thing that works would be a thing called "justice". Cause thats what "it" takes away. Like I said, its a system of "royalism". Royalism is going out all over the world, even though everybody's trying to hold onto it. Its a dying system. People still in a almost jestful way will look at Princess Di and Prince Charles and really they kinda snicker about it now. It used to be that this was all really pretty solid business. The king could do no wrong. And you even have hotels, even today, that are named in a royal fashion. The Royal Arms, the Royal this, the Empress Room... still holding onto it. George Washington and company was supposed to have gotten rid of it, or the idea of Kings and Queens. But everybody still talks that way. We buy novels thats based on what we call royalty. Is some buildings in the workplace, the people who are in charge, if they're all in the same section of the building, I have heard it referred to as "Kings Row". Go up and check in Kings Row and let them tell you what to do. The great unwatched servants of the Kings and Queens from down in Kings Row. But, so that I don't digress too much. I want to take this in progressive order. The color of people and how to produce quality relationships in the workplace, thats what we're going to talk about. Is Quality Work possible without Quality Relationships? Presumably the answer is no. If you would say yes, well you can discuss that within the Q/A period, hopefully we'll have enough time for that. Three basic requirements in the establishment of peace, you have to reveal truth, produce justice which means balance between people, which means...and I'm making up these definition, cause they're not dictionary definitions, which is something you have to do to fill the vacuum, under compensatory law, I said I've written a book based on the law of compensation. Justice is balance between, but to keep that from being abstract, you say, guaranteeing that no person is mistreated and guaranteeing that the person that needs help the most gets the most help. Now thats in the workplace or any other place. You look around in this room and you say "who needs the most help?". If you are person who believes in justice, you go for that person and you help that person the most. In a classroom, when a teacher is in a classroom, there used to be the old royal concept, I've heard teachers say this, "I've got mine, you've got yours to get", to use an old "top sergeant" formula. And I will take ten percent of the students and I'm gonna make them geniuses, the rest of you are just a bunch of trash. Now a lot of teachers have taken that position cause thats the old royal system. We're supposed to be coming out of the royal system, worldwide. Some people call it democracy, there are different names for it, thats supposed to replace it. A better term for it is "Justice". Because if you don't have justice in a so-called democracy you haven't got anything but a work anyway. But getting back to it, you reveal truth. You've gotta have truth before you can get Justice and thats what we're supposed to be producing right now. This is a truth seminar. Unless Fuller is up here starting off telling a bunch of lies. In which case, using your scientific minds, you raise questions about anything that sounds false and knock it down before it gets off the ground. Justice, you guarantee that the person who needs help the most gets the most help. Otherwise, you don't have justice. Theres no such thing as justice being in one place and not in another. It's indivisible... just like someone once said way before me. Can't divide it up, can't chop it up into little boxes. Its either or. Either you have it or you don't. Then correctness is balance between people and things. Like if you're going into outer space, you have to have balance. If the "O" ring is not where it should be, you don't have balance. And when something is not in balance you're going to have a big error. I don't know anything about science except what I saw on television, and thats why I'm making these references. I saw a space ship blow up, presumably, with a lot of people in it. And they said something about an "O" ring was not in place, it was not in balance with the rest of the operation. So there was an explosion. Some people got killed. So correctness is that when you have Justice, which means balance between people, you also balance the elements, the interactions between people. Racism has done more to promote non-justice than any other socio-material system known to be produced or supported by the people of the known universe. That statement is either true or false. No major problem that exists between people of the known universe can be eliminated until racism is eliminated. I don't care what kind of problems. Communism, socialism, problems you have with trying to figure out what to do about the economy. Politicians can run around and talk about this and talk about that, and recently, a lot of politicians are talking a lot about "welfare", code names for "black people". Thats all it is. They have all kinds of code names to keep from saying black people. Go ahead and say black people! Stop tipping around. People are doing this in politics, they're doing it on the job, they're doing it in the churches. In other words they're being deceitful. And thats the backbone of racism, DECEIT. When the racists can't deceive you, they'll get violent. Deception is a form of indirect violence. But like the red people said, when they can no longer speak with the forked tongue, they'll come at you directly with the gun, they'll kill you. Cause this is a business. They most successful business on earth. A long running show, but, it should have expired. Its been running too long and its hurt too many people. From the streets of Washington with the nine millimeters and the tangled minds and the savage behavior of black people, that has resulted from the school drop out rate ecetera... the confusion...to Rwanda. Where you have mass killing, all triggered by a system that you call racism. Every bit of it. The fear, frustration, malice and confusion thats caused by racism, retards or prevents all constructive activity between all people of the known universe. You can think over these things as I put them on here. The first thing you want to know is, are they true? The only form of "functional" racism that exists among the people of the known universe is White Supremacy. What about black supremacy? Do they exist? I never met one. Say, well, I've met some. You might say that. I talked to a person who said he hated white people,... so what? Thats talk. Can you express it where its functional, where you are in charge? Where what you say goes and nobody but god can second guess you? No. So its no such thing as black supremacy, anywhere on this planet. you just have a few black people who might run around talking that stuff, they don't talk it too loud either. Thats all pretense. The White Supremacist don't even have to say it. Its an on running business. Its already in place. White people are born into a system, thats already set up. Whether they take advantage of it or not is their choice. Most of them, or substantial numbers of them do. Cause its a paying business. Its nice to be able to go to the head of the line, by birth. Its nice to considered beautiful, by birth. I saw some black ladies once who were making fun of a white lady who was standing by an elevator because of the tattered clothes she was wearing. The white woman overheard the black ladies talking, and just as the elevator got there, she stepped on and turned around and she said, yes, but, I'm white. And the doors closed. Nuff said, end of story, you get the point, and don't you forget it. That's what she was saying, oh yes. It makes a difference. Now some white people will say no it doesn't make a difference. Try being black. You'll see some instant differences. I think a person came here and talked at the space center, his name was Mr. (Joshua) Solomon, who had done something to his skin and gone down in southern Virginia I believe, around Richmond. He said he immediately started noticing the way people acted was astonishingly different. So much so that he couldn't stand over a week of it. He was planning on doing it for a longer period. He said one week was enough. He came here at the space center and made a talk. Is this correct? Some of you may have heard about it. See, but, you'll have some white people who say oh no, you know, color doesn't make any difference. There are some problems, but, no big deal. Just try being black. You'll find out its an astonishing deal. The people who have the ability to eliminate racism do not have the will to do so, and the people who have the will to do so do not have the ability. I have the will. Naturally, cause I'm a victim. Old back of the bus negro, thirty years before they told me I could sit on the front. So you might say well, a lot of you might not be as old as me, so you could say that one reason I talk like this is I've got a real bone to pick and you're correct. Fighting on the front line went to Korea, came back, immediately was told, get on the back of the bus, uniform and all. Going to see my mother while she was dying of cancer. Standing up in the middle of the night. You might say, well, those were the old days...they're not THAT old. Still happening in different forms. More refined now. Most vicious system on earth, cause it cuts people apart from the inside...along with the outside. Regardless of all that has been said or done, the quality of the relationship between white people and non-white people is and has been a total disaster. Up to this point, thats what you can call it. Oh its getting better...getting better won't cut it. Either / or. Either you have justice or you don't. Either you're mistreating people or you're not. No such thing as a little bit of mistreatment. And anytime you look at a persons color and say that I'm gonna make a judgment from that point on thats not in favor of that person, the disaster is already in place. They'll say, well you're talking about slavery, the old days. No, can't even have church without black people and white people can't even sit in the same room. And thats supposed to be religion. Thats divided along color lines. Martin Luther King said, the most segregated hour, ever, is eleven o'clock on Sunday. When everybody is supposed to be so holy, so close to each other. Thats when they're most separate. The houses of prostitution are more integrated on Sunday morning than any church. Oh yeah, you got you're Hugh Grant. Fine clean cut. Epitome...movie star, prowling the streets. Think about it, think I'm making this stuff up? When I'm talking about racism, I'm talking about racism. Been on that road a long time. I know it well. Its a total disaster. Thats how you refer to it. Anybody asks you "whats the status of black/white relations", ...its a total disaster, thats what it is. Oh no, its not that bad. Its a total disaster...read my lips. Now, saying that its better than it was a thousand years ago, thats no good...that is not scientific. Thats not the way to look at anything. If we looked at everything that way we could say that there should be horses and buggies out there on the parking lot rather than gas driven vehicles, and everybody should have come here this morning by 40 miles of bad road...after hitching up a mule. And not going to a coke machine, but, having to get out a wood stove. If we're going to look at everything that way. Sure things are better, but, compared to what? You always compare it to what it ought to be. I think, who was it, Robert Kennedy who said that. Thats you're measure, you always measure against things the way they ought to be. Not things the way they were fifteen minutes ago. Always, without fail. And in a scientific establishment like this, that definitely has to be the thinking. I had an old sergeant once and I told him how hard I was working. He never looked up from his typewriter. he said, Fuller, don't you ever come in here talking about how hard you've been working, just show me the results. Thats all I want to see. Hard work is nothing unique. So when it come to the race issue that should be the basic position of everybody on this planet. Don't tell me how hard you've been working, show me the results, don't tell me you're working on it, show me the result. I'll be back later. This is not a football game, you don't get paid for yardage. (pointing to phrase "Does White Supremacy Exist" on viewgraph) That's one of the main things you want to know, does it exist. No point in even having that discussion, no point in my even being here if the answer to that, is not yes. And it exists in all areas of activity 24 hours a day. And that IS the problem. There isn't any other problem. All other problems come from that problem. This is what the gentleman who was at H.E.W. meant when he said I was just trying to get the people some education, some housing, all of the nice things. But I couldn't do anything cause somebody would come into the office and say, yeah, but we're going to have make some type of arrangements an account of, what are you gonna do with the black people? What are you going to do with the black people? All over the world the question comes out. If you're gonna build a house, if you're gonna get married, first thing you have to think about is color. That the first thing you have to think about... what color is the person; otherwise you're whole operation is in danger...if you don't get that straight first. Thats what this means (white supremacy). Those two words. I say sure it exists, it not only exists it dominates everything that happens. Every move that everybody makes on this planet 24 hours a day. That includes non-white people who've never even seen a white person. And white people who have never seen a black person. It includes them too. Its a total operation. But everything that I say, must be, should be questioned. If you disagree with it, do so without fail. You shouldn't have anybody coming out here taking up your time lying to you. I've already been accused of lying once this week. Supposed to be going to a school and the white person in that school notified the faculty last night...I don't want that racist in here. I'm called a racist now - I said I'm a victim, I've never been a racist. Its a false charge as far as I'm concerned, but, I was charged with it. And he said, and I don't want him coming in here lying to these students. I'd like to talk to that gentleman... in open court so that he can substantiate his charges...cause I think I can handle it. Replace white supremacy with justice, okay that goes without saying, takes care of itself. If its something that should be replaced, you replace it with justice. What makes racism so important a problem? I think I just covered that, it dominates everything, you can't get anything done. Definition, (of racism) mistreatment of people on the basis of color thats all. But I said its white supremacy, racism is white supremacy, white supremacy is racism. The four stages, establishment, when was it established? I don't know, I wasn't here. I like to keep everything close to the vest. Now its a lot of debate, some people say its far back as 6,000 years ago. Some people say 400 years. I say I don't know, like Mark Twain was once asked, somebody raise some question about something and he said, " was proud to be able to answer promptly, and I did...I said I didn't know". But a lot of people nowadays will say I don't know, but...and then talk for two hours about about what they don't know. I don't know when it was established. Maintenance...once it was established it kept going, now I know its been going on otherwise I wouldn't have been on the back of that bus. Also, when I go somewhere, they have a little check mark there that says "race". I never joined a race. But I have to put something there. Don't you sometimes, some of you, feel nervous or feel a little out of place when...you're ..you're intimidated by that. Somebody tell you that you've got to fit in some category... I'm a member of some race. How did you get to be a member? Wheres your card? When did you take out membership? You don't know. Somebody told you this. And who was it did the telling... white supremacist. They thought of the gem of an idea. That everybody has to be in a nice neat little category, as far as color is concerned. Sometimes instead of race, they'll put color in that little blank. When a person looks at their actual color, what do you really put down? It might be, light tan, black, black-black, dark brown... I saw an article in the Washington Post where some white person is tired of the confusion and they say instead of white people being called white, lets call them pink. It was in the Washington Post the other day, you may have seen it. I mean its getting crazier and crazier. And you have black people running around talking about "I'm Bi-Racial", my mother is white and my father is black, so I want a special category.......FOR WHAT? (laughter) The racists produce this confusion, and they're feeding it right now. You'll even have silly talk like a white person saying I'm part Indian. How can you be white and non-white at the same time...but, they can get away with it. I can't stand up here and say I'm part anything. Neeeeeegar is what you are....A to Z. I'm making it kinda comical, but, this stuff hurts. Its caused all kinds of problems. Its total poison. But, like I said, it gets things done. Now white supremacy is efficient, its the most efficient system ever thought up for handling people. Better than any so-called communism, socialism, capitalism...white supremacy is the one thing that has stayed intact. Whoever thought of it... cause everything stays in place. You just look at people according to color. Say, you over here, you over there, you do this,... you do that, you stop doing this and come over here and do this. When you can do it according to color it just like stop lights...red, green, according to color. Its very efficient. But when you're dealing with people on that basis, you hurt a lot of people. Got to put it out of business. Expansion means you take in more and more people over time. There are more people on earth now presumably than there were say ten thousand years ago. So as the people come from the womb you just simply say, o.k. you're black, go over here and you do this, you're white you go over here and you do that. See. So its expanding all the time, the system keeps expanding, taking in more people. Refinement is "don't call that black person a nigger any more!" Don't use the "n" word as F. Lee Bailey would say. Don't call them that. Call him Mr. Jones, Mrs. Brown, invite them over for tea, pat them on the back and say that if all were like you, the world would be a better place. Thats the technique of refinement. Now the white people who are not getting into the refinement thing now are being, really harassed and watched by the white people who are in refinement. Cause they're telling them, "We don't do it the old way any more, too many of them, can't bang them on the head, I mean you know, run them out in the fields, cause then you have to watch them and its too many of them to watch". "So you have to lie to them, on the job, everywhere else, lie to them. Promise them anything, give them nothing". Thats the refinement stage. Does this sound like an indictment of all white people? Well it isn't, but it is an indictment of those who believe in white supremacy. How do you answer the question, "are all white people racist?" Stick with it, "I don't know, but those who are, are smarter and more powerful than those who aren't. Why....going on evidence. If the white people who didn't believe in racism were smarter and more powerful, there wouldn't be no such thing as racism. Thats just what you call, just, space center, mathematical computation. Wouldn't be any such thing as racism if that was true. It would go out of business. Fall apart. Cause its something that you have to watch very carefully. Like a smooth running machine, you have to make sure that its constantly oiled, you can't walk off, you have to attend it. Give it lots of attention. Lets see now, where was I? I want to run though this right quick, don't want to take up too much time. Nine areas of people activity. Everybody on earth, every minute of every day is engaging in one of these, one or more of these major areas of activity. I categorized these myself. Economics, Education, Entertainment, Labor, Law, Politics, Religion, Sex and War. Every minute of every day you are engaging in one or more of those areas of activity. Like right now we're supposed to be engaged in what? Number two, education, if you can call it that. We're also engaging in politics, politics is nothing but people relations. If you are talking to someone, you are political right there. Cause you are exerting some type of influence. You might even throw in all of the areas, uh, for the most part. Religion, Labor, you're at work, so what we're talking about is Labor problems. Whatever goes on in the great out there will effect what you do in here. And what you do in here will effect what goes on out there. Which brings me to another point, people say, fine, get rid of him, get him out of here! Don't you know when you fire people you're doing nothing but producing your...a person who's maybe going to produce a person who's gonna kill you! In a round about way. But there is no such thing as a surplus population. Adolf Hitler understood that, and he didn't fool around with it either. In other words, you don't just put people out there and just forget them. The person that I fire... means that person no longer has a job. I'm gonna take care of that person, one way or the other. I'm gonna either have to take care of that person and there offspring or I'm going to have to kill them. Hitler said, kill them. I don't want any surplus people. I don't want any people milling around here getting in my way...with the new order that I'm bring in. With the new order that I'm bringing in we're going to have some surplus people, what do you do, you put them on trains. Get rid of them. But in this area of the world, people haven't caught up to that yet, they might. And I think theres a lot of talk going in that direction too. Things like the Oklahoma city bombing may be connected with it...that kinda thinking. Hey, we do have a lot of black, brown and red people who are in the way. We don't have any jobs for them, we don't want to give them jobs...at the same time we don't want them to be on welfare. Where are they going to be? They're going to be milling the streets. At least their offspring are going to milling the streets with nine millimeter pistols in their pockets and you're not gonna figure out how it all happened when you feel that cold steel behind you're ear on the parking lot. See this is very real. And you say who was it? It was that black fella you see running down the alley. He wasn't born with that gun in his hand, it was a progress of things that happened a whole series of things that happened. Father lost his job, mother got on crack cocaine, he's in the street. They're out there ladies and gentlemen, by the thousands, and growing in number. And now when you have you're nice little suburban house set up here they come, again...in large numbers. Talking about the nine areas of activity, they're all interrelated. This is getting to be a smaller and smaller planet. People are going to have to like Rodney King says..." get along". Now he might be delirious, he's definitely a victim of it, you can tell by the way he acts and his record. The things that he's done. But they weren't chasing him down that highway in a vacuum. Thats a culmination of a whole bunch of things. But, even Rodney King could make sense for a few minutes. Even after being hit on the head. I mean, this whole world's going crazy and I'm crazy along with it. But I mean, can't we get along? Somebody figure out something, some of you smart people figure out something. But the smart people are all wrapped up in THINGS. And just letting this race thing stay in place. Now you might say what has this got to do with Goddard Space Center or any other center. Anywhere on this planet where there are people the priority should be we got to do something about the race problem and we want the smartest people on the case. We shouldn't leave it to amateurs like Neely Fuller...cause thats what you're doing. If anybody doesn't like what I'm saying, hey, what are you doing? What have you done lately? You're smarter than I am, you've been to more schools than I have, if you're white, most likely..but..you left it to an amateur. And when you leave big important issues to amateurs you gonna get a amateurish result. Cause I'm not what you call a "heavy thinker". I don't know how the system of racism is put together. So when I start trying to take it apart I might snatch the bricks in the wrong places. And if you know anything about the way a building comes down, ...a building is supposed to come down scientifically. The way it goes up. You let an amateur come into an area and say he's on the destruction committee, and he's going to bring a building down, XXXX you'll have bricks all over the street. Falling on peoples car and all like that. But this is the type of contractors that you've got to do it. The average white person will say "Well, I don't have anything to do with racism ... I'm just going about my own business, in my own way". Yea, that's exactly what people said, I mean it started World War II. Roosevelt had to scream to the top of his voice to say wait a minute, all of this stuff is going to wind up on your door step. But you don't have to wait for a World War II, like I said that explosion behind your ear from a nine millimeter, when somebody's car jacking you. Susan Smith understood that, that's why she could say that it was a black fella that did it. Cause when you say a street criminal, that means black. But how were they produced, they weren't born like this, I know that. There's this little toddler, looking innocently ... up at the older people for guidance. The black people don't know to much because they are not taught too much themselves. And the white people look at the situation and walk away. And think that, that situation is not gonna catch up with them. You produce a frankenstein monster that monster gonna catch up you. And that's what the system of white supremacy does, it makes monsters out of people. They stand back and laugh at the monsters at a distance, not knowing that the monster gonna catch up with them when their sleeping. Crawl through your bedroom at night when you don't have your gun handy. Now you can produce justice or you can start backing up the train. And build death camps. Those are your choices, not any other. Sick of it already. Well ... xxxxx Tragic relationships between white people and non-white people. Black people and white people interact with each other everywhere, it's been my observation. And here again you have to question everything I'm saying cause I may be lying like the man said. Tacky, it doesn't get any better than that. I said this everywhere I go. See a white person talking to a black person, just listening to the conversation, the conversation is tacky. It doesn't get any better than that. There a nervousness there, there's a barrier there. Even when it's not mentioned. If they try to improve on XXXX tacking it, like they say, look, lets not be so stiff ... black people and white people should get together, I mean, lets have a party. Now it's going to get trashy. It's gonna go from tacky to trashy. That's why I told people ... stop all the Christmas parties, lets get this race thing straight. In the office place, XXX what because the black people are expected to be the entertainment committee. You see that black person coming, here comes the entertainment committee. Just one person that's the committee. Cause he's black or she's black and so they become song and dance people. And when the whiskey passed around the next thing you know the white men, the good ole boy, are feeling all over the black lady and that's supposed to be fun. Then send them back to the ghettoes, they all go different ways from the parking lot at the end of the day after having all that so called fun. That's disgraceful. It needs to be stooped. And it needs to be stopped immediately. We've got to be honest, what I'm about, I hope, is telling it just like it is ... warts and all. Tell the truth on myself and then duck when the bricks start flying. Cause that's the only way to solve anything. You gonna be scientific, look at it just the way that it is. Cut out the nonsense. Trashy. Now, from trashy it becomes XXXX terroristic. O.J. Simpson case, biggest case in history, so somebody said. Greatest murder case in history, I don't know what happened to Adolf Hitler. Yea, OJ, you know. My goodness, there's some cases going on right now in Washington, DC. It should make history. But who cares, they don't even spell your name right, fifteen people dead in one house. And even the dead, they don't spell their names right. But OJ Simpson connected with the white woman, connected with a murder, ... Oh, boy. Everybody drop what you're doing and pay attention, glued to the television set. Forget about Lindburgh, this is it. King Kong... that's what it's all about there's a sexually connotation there, when you start talking about black males, white females, you talking about a recipe for dynamite. Particularly when somebody comes up dead, always has been. It's the bug-a-boo, it goes with the system of white supremacy. Tacky, going back to it, very important, what we need ... and this is a word that you hear, here at the space center I've heard, quality. Total Quality Management, you hear quality, that's what you want instead of that. You want a quality relationship. For I mean that about the Christmas parties and all the other parties that you have, if it's not quality, if it's got to be tacky or trashy - don't have' em. Have meetings, you can have a meeting, you can solve problems, you can interact with people on a constructive basis. But the black people in the northwestern hemisphere and in other places, and this is a valid criticism, out of habit ... this watermelon day on the plantation has got to stop. Set a side one or two days, you've got a month now, called Black History Month. Where suppose to be right in the middle of it. This is also the month that George Washington was born, what about them apples. And old George was a slave owner, right in the middle of Black History Month. I mean this is all just saying with words, Black History Month, what is that. People ask me what is my history, my history is everything that ever happened before the beginning of time and since. That's my history. Speaking scientifically, that has to be my history, every rock that ever turned over on the moon, is a part of my history because the elements that go into that rock are part of me and I'm a part of it. Now one might say ... that's true of anybody, so what, you asked me a question. What's my history that's it, A to Z. It's not in some box, I told you about those boxes, watch those boxes that they put you in. Put you in one box, February, that's black people say on the plantation. That's their black month after then you don't have no month. Tacky. I mentioned this a few moments ago, deceit and violence, that's racist strategy. If they can't deceive they'll hurt you physically. Every white person is taught how to be deceitful whether they are or not. This is why even in the white supremacist culture, the word mystery, is a very prominent word. This is why into a book store, along with the books way back in the back, on how to plant crops, how to fix the garage, how to paint, how to repair an automobile, most of the books you see right up front are mysteries books, "Who Done It" that are associated with violence. Associated with killing. The stuff that is taught in school is associated with killing not making something grow. But killing, this is a club, if you're going to have a system of white supremacy, you've go to do a lot of killing. And got to know how to do it, in fact, you have to brag about it. That's why the heroes, in the white supremacist culture, are mostly soldiers, knights. Open the first grade book and you see a person with a sword. Go in any public square and there's a person on horse back with a sword. And then later with a gun or muskets. All about death. Worshipping death. That's the violent part, direct violence. Indirect violence is deception. If I am telling you a lie, to your detriment, I committing violence against you. When I go up for the promotion on the job and you say, any day now, we're working on it, and you know that's not true. You have committed an act of violence cause you're being deceitful. Come in I want to help you. You're not really trying to help, you don't intend to help, that's being deceptive. Deceit is a private entire culture because see, the, like the red people said, speak with forked tongue. And now you can't buy a car without going through a whole lot of hassle. It's built into the culture, it's just taken for granted that you're going to get a lie. It's a requirement, you should be able to buy a car with no hassle, no nothing, I mean right down to the last penny, everything is computerized, this is the information highway age, there shouldn't be any debates about what that car costs. But a house or a car, two of the most important things that you need , it's got to be lies attached to it. What because in the white supremacist system, you have to keep in the practice of telling lies. I almost about to finish. Some of you might say I shouldn't have started. I can understand that. I don't like doing what I'm doing. I wish someone else would do this mess. Someone has got to be the garbage man, I guess I'm it. These are just some words, actually you've got a lot of them. Lilly white, crime: that mean black people, see they've got all kinds of code words now. That's part of the refinement of racism. Bright students, how do you know if a student is bright? People call the word bright is associated with the word, white. So right from the first grade, a black student begins to loose self esteem. I often say that when you have black person and a white person, sitting in the same class, in the north western hemisphere, getting what you call an education, the white person is being systematically taught how to be a white supremacist. The black person is being systematically taught how to be a victim. And this is why about time the average black male gets to about the fifth or six grade, he begins to back away. He begins to walk the halls and make trouble. He begins to sass the teacher and nobody understands that. It's because it's all built right into the books. All of the damages being done, pure poison. Like beautiful people, can be black and be beautiful, not unless you look like you're white. Every black person in here, who's about my age, knows something about straightening combs and all that. Skin bleached, even in black magazines, the poison is deep. It is deep, it is deep. It's horrifyingly deep, and it damages people's physic because the whole thing is ... if you look white, if you're going to be beautiful, the first requirement is that you're white. Beauty and the Beast, King Kong and Faye Ray. Netherlands. Middle class non-white people. Middle class black people, you hear that phrase, what is upper class? No such thing, you've got three classes of people on this planet. Powerful and powerless, if you are non-white, you are in the powerless class. Successful black person. Somebody would say, well Colin Powell is successful. No way can you have a system of white supremacy and have a successful black person, it's impossible. Forget that. A successful black person by definition is the black person who is not subject to the system of white supremacy. Unquote. Lexus won't get it. Eight bedroom house won't cut it. Nice to have, get it if you can, that don't get you any status at all. Ask some of the basketball players, who are running around talking about their trying to do something about the race problem. Football players, movie stars, OJ had a big house. Person who have half his is totally confused being in the kind of mess he's in. Totally confused. The system of racism produces confusion in the minds of it's victims. Everybody knows, if you're black male, you're not a success until you get a white woman. Isn't that correct. You better believe it's correct. People don't go around talking about it but it's suppose to be understood. It was practiced on black women, or warm your self up to get a white one. Because that was the beautiful people. Such a non-white people do, end racism. Stop snitching, that doesn't mean don't protect yourself. But it means just running down the hall trying to tell the boss, and you know who that is. Something so you can make yourself look good. At somebody else's expense. Code of justice, say stop that cause that's not just. Stop name calling, this refers basically to black people in the northwestern hemisphere, most of these, all of these. Do a lot of name calling, particularly black males. Stop that, don't call anybody any name except for that name that person wants to be called. That's just pure decency. Don't name call anyone. Suppose a person calls you a name, don't you even bat an eye. Get out of the habit of being so childish. And you don't pass that on to the offspring, who are now running around talking about somebody that's dis'en them. Nobody can diss you. Talk about disrespect, that's short for disrespect. The respect has one source ... self. You give it to yourself, you can not get it from someone else. Anybody that can give you respect can take it away from you. They'll have you hopping around like a little monkey. They'll say, Oh I'm going to take his respect away from him today and make him feel bad. If you have it yourself, people know it too. Couldn't have but one source and that's you. Don't ask anybody to respect you, ever. If you all ready have it, and you should, you don't have ask. Stop name calling, stop cursing, even if you have been in the Army. I have. Cut down on that profanity. XXX Agree with some of the politicians now. Cause now even some of the white people are getting sick of some of them because it's getting to the children. And the children are beginning to use these kind of words to them. GD this or F that. Is that the way to talk? You can do better than that. Stop gossiping. That's a hard one. Which means don't say anything about anybody that you wouldn't say to the person if the person was standing there. That's how you know when you're gossiping. You say anything about anybody, stifling, stop and ask yourself ... If, would I say this if the person I'm saying this about was standing right here. And if the answer if no, then don't say it. Now I'm not talking about getting some descriptive information. I'm talking about gossiping. There's a difference. Stop being discourteous, on the job, anyplace else. Stop fighting, stop stealing. In fact someone once said, I'm going to mention about stealing, ... I was working once for someone and there was a retarded person, somebody they called retarded, working there. And I was very young, and so I asked the person ... I said why do you keep him around here. That's the person that everybody laughed at. He was illiterate, what most people would call backward, toothless, and the answer was ... he always comes to work, he's always on time, and doesn't steal nothing. XXXX And I've never forgot that because I carry that through doing minds for me, I was never late. It's just something I decided not to do, be late. I was never late on the job in thirty years. Now you might say, well boy I sure was a faithful old XXXX docket. No, it was a duty I had to myself. I contracted to come to work, so I'm gonna be at work, O.K.. And there was just a thing, that I had, get up early enough to be there, all right. And I didn't steal. It stuck with me because the person that told me that little story told me when I was young. You see, some things stick with you like a rock when you're young, O.K.. Stop robbing, stop killing, stop squabbling and expecting racists to settle a squabble. And that's black people. XXXX Saw a big argument down in the section and then run down the hall to tell the white person who's there, and the white person is busy and doesn't want to be bothered with that nonsense but they take their time, just straightening the children out. And sometimes after that XXXX bump both their heads together. And put them in the streets. And I know some of the things I've said, some of the things that I'm saying, would be embarrassing but you can't have this business unless you tell the truth. You can't straighten out none of this. And black people use an old time plantation formula when they have a little excuse to run up to the big house. And then both of them get a good whipping. Straighten it out yourself, learn to be mature and if you can't get along, which most of the times you can't, minimize promptly by minimizing contact. You say well look, it seems like we can't come to any kind of reasoning, so the least you say to me, the better ... and the least I say to you, the better, and just do it that way. Don't take up the boss' time with those little petty squabbles, that's why black people are usually referred to as being children but it's not a put down, even when it's accurate. Because we've been made child like, I'm 66 years old and I'm still a child. Cause I don't know the things that I ought to know and I'm not in the position I outta be in. Never been a man. That's why among black people themselves, they say here comes the man. Everybody knows what that means. What white people can do to stop racism. Since I said racism is based on deceit, never lie to a non-white person. Just stop that lying. Stop lying, stop making promises you're not gonna keep. The red people where some of the first people in the northwestern hemisphere to know what it said. They said Urmm say one thing, mean another. Can't trust them five minutes. Break every treaty that they ever made. Terrible people. Have to watch all times. White people should try to get that stigma off of them. Say I'm not gonna lie to these people, ya know. Its not gonna help them. It's not gonna help me. It hurts me to have to. Just get in the process of not doing it. And never withhold valuable information from a non-white person. They're the people who need help the most, that's if you're going to produce justice, if it's valuable information, if it's constructive information, go to the person. Be proactive, just don't sit back, since they need information, somebody said information is power. You have to have correct information if you're going to get anything done in a sensible, just, and correct way. Now I'm just about finished. In fact, with this last one, I am finished and you can look at this and if anybody got any questions, you can ask them now, anybody got any criticisms, you can voice them and don't bite your tongue. Because like I said, I've already been called a liar and a racist in the last 24 hours. So I can handle that I think. I said racism equals white supremacy, that just a review. That's what it is. How many races are on earth? One, the white race. Sometimes people say "human race", you don't have any human beings yet. Not only that, why would you want a human race. Racism isn't human, it isn't humane, who ever thought of the idea should be given an excellent whipping. You should be talking about maybe horses or something like that, but people? It's caused all kinds of problems, just that category alone, saying, what race do you belong to. Now you're getting ready to start some trouble. You can not say that, being a member of a race does anything but start trouble. The minute you say I am a race member, you mean you're a trouble maker. You're gonna hurt somebody, you can't site any other reason for it's existence. And the only, one that you have now, is the white race. This is why people who are call Asians sometimes get a little perplexed and they are somewhat insulted when you call them yellow people. And say that they are members of a yellow race. They say I'm not yellow, they haven't thought of it, but somebody called them that. And the somebody was the white supremacist. No body does that but them. Running around all over the world slapping tags on people. You're the Melanesian race for the next 20 years and then you'll be something else. Depending on what I want to call you. Stop that! Stop it! Analogy of the condition of black people, born in jail...thats correct. We went through the four stages of white supremacy, we talked about deception and violence. Words. Oh yes, Blacks and Jews. Never use that term! Its gotten a lot of black people in a lot of trouble. Just using that term. Look at the three words and ask yourself how much sense does that make. Its impossible to have an intelligent conversation using those three words in that combination. Totally impossible. You find Ph.D. people using the term. And I'm a long ways from having anything like that...and I've been in total consternation of that. And you should be too... Anybody got a question on it? Why is in that wouldn't make sense? Yes sir? Unintelligible voice of questioner.
Fuller: I can hear him from here and I'll reiterate what he said, cause it'll take up too much time maybe.
Q: Unintelligible
Fuller: You can say black people and white people. Or you can say Jews and Christians. Or Muslims and Jews. Or Christians and Hindus...but, blacks and Jews! What are you talking about? Black is a color! What color is Jew? I'm dropping bombs now. But see if you're looking for the truth, you get the words straight, thats why I have in up there. See words. Words are the chief tools of the racists. When they put words together they have something in mind. And what they're having in mind is confusion. And thats what you get when you use that particular term. I stick by it...I haven't had any rebuttals either...anywhere I've gone. Everybody just gone silent. Like they do with most of the things that I say. That bothers me too. But, that was the one that wasn't on the other list, thats why I picked that one out. Does it make sense? Can't you say Jews and Christians? These are religions. You're mixing color with a religion and you're implying that a black person can't be a Jew. Okay, look at it this way...Christians and Blacks. Where does that leave Martin Luther King? He's black and he said he was a Christian. But, if you say Christians and Blacks, you're implying that a Christian can't be black. Maybe they can I don't know, but at least approach it from that way. So when you say blacks and Jews its the same thing, doesn't make sense...but you have book titles like that and seminars. Causes all kinds of problems. Sets off false waves. The strongest religion in the world is white supremacy. You say, white supremacy isn't a religion... it isn't? You say well a religion has a god. Who is the god of the white supremacist? The white supremacists themselves...and that causes all kinds of problems. They're getting to the place where now they want to replace god and will not accept the image of a god unless it looks exactly like them. Talking about white people now who believe in white supremacy. Thats why I said while ago they won't even want to go to a church and they look in there, unless they're just visiting, they're not going to join. They see a black preacher up there and a black congregation...they'd say, thats an inferior religion even though its the same bible, the same Christianity. They don't want to have anything to do with those people in there. They're alien. Even though they're supposed to be Christians. A Christian can go anywhere where there are Christians I thought. But COLOR is the number one criteria for everything. Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam all comes in second best. Got to figure out what COLOR the person is first. Thats why the strongest religion in the world is white supremacy. Is there a black community? Absolutely not! Black community? Where is it? Black people don't communicate. They claw and scratch at each other, around the clock. You have a white community and it's called white supremacy. How can you have a black community in the system of white supremacy. What you've got is a bunch of black prisoners. A prison isn't a community. What is culture? Culture is "what you do". Now this is black history month so you have a whole lot of black people saying...you see them on television sometimes...saying, white people have to learn our culture...FOR WHAT? Culture is what you do, what are you talking about? A drive by shooting? (Laughter) That isn't worth two cents. I wouldn't give thirty cents for what we call black people's culture...cause black people never pinpoint what they're talking about. They just say "our culture"...and that white people can't get along with us because they don't understand our culture. Who would want to? When you look at what black people DO. We have a victim culture. When I say we, I mean if you are black in this universe you have the culture of a victim. A prison culture. Who wants to a prisoner? Who wants to be the last is everything? Black people sometimes, when people come from overseas, and they say that "they don't like us"...why should they? Look at what we are doing. Its no reason why anybody would like black people in the state that we are in...but we've been put in that state. Its no reason for me to like myself. None, if I'm being logical. I can like myself when I am no longer a victim of a system that dictates that I not like myself. I'm just about finished now because I think thats it. I think I've covered the rest of it. Oh yes, the system of white supremacy produces monsters and monstrosities. I'm a monstrosity.
Fuller: Yes sir?
Q: My question to you is, how can black entertainment television be responsible for the imaging that they portray on black people? Because thats a black controlled situation...even though in entertainment theres a hierarchy that dictates what images they're going to put on the screen and so forth. So if the young kids are going to school, coming home and seeing those images of youth doing the "coochy" and whatever else and seeing the "butterfly" portrayed on television, where are we at?
Fuller: Theres nothing can be done about it except the people who are running or participating in that and hopefully what you call black entertainment or black politics or black whatever, while you function on this planet is try to improve people as best you can. Now, this is difficult to do with the opposition that you have...because the white supremacists say that if you are black, you're supposed to be some type of whore, or a clown or something that somebody can make fun of. You're certainly not something walking around on this earth that anybody with any sense should take seriously. So when the white supremacists are in charge and you go to them and say I want to have a television station or a radio program or something like that...they say... how much non-sense can you come up with. Can I get you on the morning talkshows and make fun of you? Because if I can't do that, NO GO. But you keep pleading with them. This is what seminars like this is for. So both black people and white people hopefully can learn how to get beyond the tacky, trashy, terroristic interactions that we have on this planet right now. And have a total quality relationship. Did that answer your question...yeah see...you just do the best you can. Yes sir.
Q: I have a question. Most of the agencies and most of the division within the agencies have multi-cultural committees. Have cultural diversity committees. Have put in place ostensibly organizations or formats for addressing some of these question I assume, at least that the theoretical purpose behind them. Could you readdress the question of "what is culture" and the reason I'm asking that specifically is because that was one of the first questions that came up in the...well I work in code 700, so that was one of the first questions that came up in the code 700 cultural diversity meeting, the first one we had. So could you address the multi-cultural issue, the cultural diversity issue, and the format that...
Fuller: Okay, culture...you see, you have to put definitions on things. And this is very important, anytime somebody throws a word at you "diversity"...the first thing you do is jump back, don't grab the word, let the word hit the floor and then point to the word while its on the floor and say "What is that?" Someone walks in very polished and says what we need here is more studies in "diversity". First thing that you should say is, "wait a minute". Before we say anything else. What is this diversity that you're talking about and what is it supposed to do, cause if its not about helping we're just having an exercise in some little sand lot, kindergarten playing. And the racists will do this. They come up with all kinds of fancy words. Well what we need is some programs in multi-culturalism. And then you say what is that, that is, if someone thinks to ask what is it. They'll say, oh well, for the black people we need, uh, lets bring in some Louis Armstrong records. When what you're talking about is a promotion! See how they'll jump track on you? I got some records, I don't need them. We don't have to discuss that. But they say, see the white supremacist culture teaches them to produce black people who are childlike and keep them that way. And have them always chasing little toys rather than taking care of the world's business like they ought to be doing, as mature people. Keep them childlike. Keep them thinking on a childlike level at all times. So thats why according to my interpretation they come up with these words that have no meaning. Like "diversity", "multi-culturalism", "multi" this and "bi" this and "bi" that. Bi-racialism. Bi-Sexism. They're throwing that into the mix now. Particularly where non-white people are concerned. Thats why you see a lot of black males dressed up in dresses now. And flaunting it on television, everybody thinks it's cute. More confusion! Anytime you take a male and make a female out of him...you should run that experiment on everybody that you know including every member of your family first, and let is run for about a thousand years and give a good test just like you would a test on a rocketship at Goddard and if it works out to be the most glorious thing that ever happened then we'll all jump in and have changes of some type, but, not one second before. Like I said, when somebody comes and give you something, jump back from it, and say wait a minute, what is it?...what is this supposed to do?...is it an improvement?...if its not, what are you doing, running a game?...and what is the end result or objective of that game? Anybody have a question? Don't everybody scream at once.
Q: I've heard you say before Mr. Fuller that the white people are the smartest of all people. Could you elaborate as to how that relates to white supremacy and then white people who presumably are not white supremacists.
Fuller: Well you probably weren't in here, but, I said the white supremacist have to be the smartest people in the world because if they weren't then the white people who didn't believe in racism... you find a lot of white people who say, I don't believe in racism...I don't believe in mistreating anybody...I just believe in going to work, and trying to improve myself and helping people when I can and not trying to hurt anybody. Many millions of white people will say that. But, they're not the smartest people on this planet. Because you have a system of white supremacy in place and the people who believe in white supremacy are smarter than those who don't, otherwise, like I said before, you would not have any such thing as white supremacy, it would just die, from lack of support. It would. This is why white people cannot get themselves off the hook by just saying I just mind my own business. It doesn't work that way. You have to be proactive. You have to actually, when you see it, or hear about it, or even think that it might be going on you're supposed to take an active role in seeing to it that it doesn't exist. Otherwise you're not doing your job of producing justice, which is why everybody, what everybody on this planet is supposed to be doing. This is no beauty contest. The reason for being on this planet, presumably, is to produce a product called Justice, if Justice hasn't been produced. And thats why I say that they're the smartest. They're the most powerful. Nobody has been able to outsmart them yet. Because the system is still in place. Everybody complains about it, but, nobody does anything about it. Its just musical chairs, they just keep moving the problem from one place to another, you might say, and really its all places at all times. Does that answer you question? More or less, or did it? Anybody else have a question.
Q: Yes, uh, yes uh. One quick question, uh, I work at Goddard, I wanted to know your feelings as far as we have so many black organizations, why if NASA is a particular community, why is it that all the different black organizations with limited participation in amounts of people, do not just incorporate themselves into one organization?
Fuller: You said why they don't?
Q: Yeah. Or, or do...
Fuller: The people who are members of these organization should explain that. Now I don't believe in it. I believe in assemblies, just like here. And I believe that all the black people and all the white people should be in the same assembly, we're in the same world...we have to deal with each other. And be up front with every problem that there is. But, black people usually hide in organizations, in order to get a little self esteem. Thats not necessary, get your self esteem out here in the big arena.
Q: So you do agree that if all of the organizations pitted together to just form one...
Fuller: No! If your going to have community, that community should have one objective, thats to produce products that are not produced. What are the organizations for? What are the Black organization for? What are the white organizations for? See we get right back to that church thing. White church, black church. What are you supposed to be doing? Well, we get together... Get together and do what? In order to accomplish what?
Q: Thats not my point, my point is, why not have one organization that fulfill all the different areas...
Fuller: Fine.
Q: And instead of having all these little groups, separate groups...
Fuller: Thats my suggestion...
Q: And waiting for a day like today for some of them to come together, why not just have one and cover all the different scenarios? Then everybody could group together, with the small numbers, it'll be a bigger number and you could cover more issues and topics.
Fuller: I think we're saying the same thing, but, I think you might be missing it see. The word "organization", throws people. People are People. Now people have agendas. They either want something or they don't want something and this is the only reason for joining a so-called organization. But if you learn of the function, anywhere in the world,... and you're at a space center!...I mean all of these ideas that we're talking about, they're going to go into outer space eventually. Sooner or later people are going to be on the moon, you gonna take all this garbage that we have on with us? We've gotta get rid of this stuff before we make a move. And way to do that is for everybody to come together and show warts and all. Everybody can say whats on their mind and why and what they intend to do and why. Thats black people and white people. See this thing about black organizations and white organizations is what we're trying to do away with. Now some people might say well we're talking about integration... I'm not! I'm talking about Justice! What you don't have is Justice. So if have an organization thats supposed to be producing a product, the name of that product is supposed to be Justice. We got rocketships. What we don't have is anything that makes sense to put in it to transport someplace else. When we finally get to the planet Krypton what do you think the Kryptonians are gonna do when they say...look you people come up here telling us what to do, and you're squabbling all the way on the trip up here. About who's black and who's white. Get out of here. All of you! And I wouldn't blame them.
Q: Thank you.
Q: I have a comment. My comment to that gentleman was, I think that... I'm not from Goddard, I'm a visitor...I think the problem is you said, "little"... I think it doesn't take a whole lot of people to be effective. I think uh, there was one Martin Luther King that made it effective. There was one Malcolm X that made it effective, so it doesn't matter whether there is one or two people making anything effective. I'm in the entertainment industry and its based on some of the most cut throat, wheeling and dealing you can ever imagine and if you don't have a faith in whatever your cause is, or whatever your belief is, you're not gonna survive in that sort of business. To me its the same thing here at Goddard, its apparent that there is white supremacy problems in the world, and black problems and everybody elses problems, but until everybody gets together and decides that we all have a problem, theres not going to be a solution.
Fuller: That's what I was saying. Thats what I was saying, you see the whole world, the whole universe, is becoming an assembly now. Everybody tells you this. And particularly here at a place like a space center, it should be obvious. So that means that people are going to be interacting with each other regardless of whether they want to or not. They're going to be bumping into each other. I tried to give that illustration just by saying that no matter...you could be a Harvard graduate, and you could be really on your way to big time things, and some person who never read a book, but, who knows how to use a nine millimeter can put you out of business on the parking lot this evening. And you know that. And thats a reality. So you'd better start interacting with everybody in such a way that this becomes a better place so you won't have to look over your shoulder on the parking lot, like I always do. Oh yeah, I mean this a real world, see, this is no fun. And we all take this for granted. That this is the kind of world that we're supposed to live in. Got bars on every window. Your alarm system cost more than the house and we call ourselves intelligent. Something is seriously in error. I mean it should be obvious to everybody in here, what I'm trying to say. I'd like to get somebody else here. Does anybody else have a question?
Q: Unintelligible. Because of trying to stay ahead of the game.
Fuller: Your entitled to that opinion. I wouldn't think that the space shuttle would be the best example. He made a comment about white people playing god.
Q: Well, you had made a comment earlier about white supremacy playing god, I was just making that as an example, of what you were talking about. Because the weather was bad, and that is a part of nature which is god, and thats why I made the comment, relating to the statement.
Fuller: Okay, and in line with that, okay taken in that view, but...in line with that...see the danger there is...there are some people who might not believe in god. Alright, there are some people called atheists, some of them might be here in this room. They are entitled to think that or be atheists if thats that they want to do. But uh, I don't want to get into a religious thing as such, because you've got different types of religion that say who god is and what god does, what god wants. I'm saying the white supremacists show indications of wanting to replace whatever created the universe. And they show signs of this because they've just about run out of other things to do. They've got everybody else following them. So, its just a natural tendency. If I rode into the woods you might say, and there are millions of people in th woods and I have all of these people over a period of time looking to me, its very easy for me to start thinking, everything centers around me. All the planets, everything. Except when something goes awry, then I'm reminded. But that is a normal tendency of anybody whether they're black or white. Once you get in charge and it looks like everybody asks you questions and you don't have to ask anybody anything, then you get what they call a "godlike complex" and this is when whoever or whatever created the universe usually kinda snatches you into reality. Sometimes by using the very people that you're dictating to. Thats why I never,...and I recommend this for everybody in the room...never look up to anybody. And never look down on anybody. And never think that just because you're smart that that gives you the right to mistreat someone. If you're smart, the only thing that means is you've got more responsibility than anybody else. Thats all that that means...reason being...using scientific analysis now...that smartest person in the world will eventually become what? Ignorant again, all you have to do is keep getting up in the morning and going to bed at night. Just point to the smartest person, the greatest scientist, on this installation. I will guarantee you based on evidence, that great scientist on this installation will eventually be a babbling idiot. All he has to do, or she, is go to bed at night and get up in the morning, go to be bed at night and get up in the morning. And if that person does it long enough, they would be able to find their way to the bathroom. So stop being arrogant. If you happen to find yourself a genius, you really should cry, because what that means is you've got to take care of all the people who are dumb. If you're a correct thinking person. You've got all of their problems, they're supposed to come to you. Thats in a family or anywhere else. The smartest person in the family or anywhere else, the smartest person in the family is supposed to answer all the questions. Naturally, because the person is smart. Not misuse the family member. Protect the family member, thats why you were given that knowledge-and its going to be taken away from you too. Sooner or later, and then the person that you didn't teach is going to have to take care of you. The last picture I saw of Douglas MacArthur, he was being led down the hall by a black lady. I don't know where he was going. Probably to the bathroom, but, he was very elderly. Now this person was a military genius, feared and revered. They called him the "American Caesar". People in the Philippines said he was god, in world war two. But, in the last days, and I'm not making fun, I'm saying its going to happen to all of us...think about that...he was being led step by feeble step at Walter Reed Hospital I believe. Had a hat on his head like somebody just put it up there any ole way. Don't laugh because its going to happen to everybody in this room if you stay here long enough. So stop being so haughty, talking down to people, just because you've got a big polished desk. That doesn't mean anything. Everybody on this earth is very feeble. You were going to ask a question?
Q: Yeah well, two questions, one that you just kind of brought up to mind when you said don't look up to people, um, how do you tell a child that when you have people in the community that they tend to look up to...their father or their mother or great aunt or whatever. I think that its important for children to have someone to look up to because it inspires them...
Fuller: Role models...
Q: To greater and greater things, so maybe you can clarify your definition of how you....
Fuller: I will...
Q: And then secondly, you said something about the community, for me I felt that I did have a black community, I mean from the African concept that it takes a whole village to raise a child in my situation I felt that everyone had a hand in raising me, and to helping me to achieve the successes I've had, and I feel that I have had successes, but then that goes to your definition of successful black people.
Fuller: Of community...
Q: So there are three different things here. One, the mentorship kinda thing, two the black community and then your definition of successfulness. maybe you can elaborate on that.
Fuller: Okay, the role model in this global village should be a code of behavior. That won't let you down. Thats why sometimes people when they're frustrated they go to the Torah, or the Bible or the Quran or the writings of Confucius. Because they say the people are confused. The people are doing things they shouldn't do. I can't use people as a role model because people make mistakes. So what you have as a basic guide is a code of behavior. Things that you do and things that you don't do. That last all down through the millennia. Anytime you put your stock in a person, a person will make mistakes. Not only that the person just might make the mistake of dying on you, right in the middle of everything. And then you come down to, who taught the first person what they ought to know. See when you say, passing on things, you can't use people. Thats why I say, you don't look up to anybody, you don't look down on anybody. A black lady once told me she thought her father was everything. He seemed so strong, he seemed to have the answer to everything. Until one day, when she was a little girl, she went on his job...and she was the way that the boss, the white boss talked to him. He talked to him like he was a puppy...and it killed her. She said she never had confidence in him any more. It broke her. It broke her spirit completely because she thought that he was invincible, but, there her was shuffling and bucking and grinning and he had to do that to keep that job. But she had never seen that, so he was hiding that from her, so...Have you ever noticed. In fact my offspring, he stands over me. One day he told me...he's in his thirties now, he said, you know "when did I get so much bigger than you?" Cause I used to think you were huge. Alright. Now he looks at me with my little scrawny self and he wonders how he could have ever looked up at me in the first place. Don't use people as the criteria for anything. Use doctrine. A code. Your religion and what-not, thats what its for. Thats what its for, see...thats, thats solid, thats steady. A code of behavior. Now what was the other thing that you were...
Q: About the black community.
Fuller: Black community...getting back to the global village again. You don't need it...and its no such thing as that anyway. Thats a myth. Cause black people really do not communicate with each other. Black males and females are at an all time high in war. Never been so much conflict. More conflict now than there was on the plantation between black males and females. Confusion! So you can't call this mess any community. And its because of racism. You do away with racism, you don't need a black community, you don't need a white community. Now you do need to protect white peoples genes. Which is something else I didn't cover, I didn't want to get to that. But, white people are fearful of their offspring becoming black. They won't say it. I went to some white people's house about two years ago. None of the white people sitting in that house, cause this was the discussion, would admit to that. The white men were completely silent, like they usually are on race issues. The white women said it wasn't so. They said, I don't care what color my children are. And I said, "I don't believe you're telling the truth". I told them that, right in front of them. Cause the truth is what you're got to start with. And this causes all kinds of problems. But, old white grandmothers will ask, "Daughter, I know you like this black fella, but you've got to think about the children". He's awfully dark! That means that my grandchildren are not gonna look like nobody in my family. Cause black will wipe out white genetically. It'll stomp it out in a minute! Obliterate it. You won't know where the white went. It's not talked about, but, I'll talk about it. Cause I'm old, I've got one foot in the grave. Ain't too much you can do about it anyway. I can tell the truth about everything. But, thats why I'm saying you don't need a black community, but, white people and black people are gonna have to sit down and figure out a comprehensive, logical way to see to it that white people do not disappear from the earth. Because if we go Martin Luther King's route, with black people all jumping in bed, on an unrestricted basis, you're not gonna have any white people. I'll guarantee you that! Now you're in a scientific community here, everybody knows that thats got any sense at all. Now white people feel uneasy with that. You don't want to stomp on people's feelings, not only that, white people apparently, have a purpose as white people. So you preserve them. Just like you preserve any species walking the face of this earth. They're correct about that. See, some of the people, most of the white people, are running all over the world saying that there's a certain type of fauna, or flora, that needs to be preserved. A certain type of leaf in Brazil. Say, oh this is the last of its kind. You know...if we destroy this, it'll be gone forever. And in that leaf, might be the cure for cancer. See, so you don't take anything out of the universe, thats here, cause you don't know how it got there. Any rock, any insect, any person, any species. This is why in most of my talks I have invited the white people, if they really don't want us on this planet, just kill us all. First speech I made, University of Maryland, 1969. Thats what I said to a mostly white audience. I said, if you're fed up with us, you keep saying nigger this and nigger that, nigger under the bed, nigger gonna take my job...kill us all, and have the whole universe to yourself. Then explain it to god. Cause we won't be here. I didn't have no takers. Nobody had anything to say, just like I said they usually don't. At seminars like this I usually want white people to talk. They usually don't. But, I understand why. I throw too much stuff out there at once. Did I answer your question? Whats the last one?
Q: You talked about successfulness, but back to the black community. You talked about communication as if thats what links community together, is that your feeling?
Fuller: Thats, thats it. Thats what makes... com-mun-nit-tee...com-mun-ni-cation. Black people do not communicate with each other. The young black males walk up and down the street, you can't look at them. If you look at them,... you dissin me man! I'll kill you! I will kill you! Just for looking at me. Alright! You think thats communication?
Q: I mean, I beg to differ because there are situations where its not like that, so I mean, there are situations where I feel that the community is working.
Fuller: Okay, well see...but this is taking the band aid approach. Black people got serious problems. You don't look at the little things that are happening, the SHOULD happen, and then say well we won't concern ourselves with the thing that shouldn't be happening. Most of what is happening to black people is awful. The schools, you name it, any area of activity. I've got nine of them up there. Economics...its awful! Black people are crying the blues about everything. Give me more welfare, give me this, give me that. Education...forget that! I'm supposed to be going to a school in a couple of days...where black people go to school, its a mess! M E S S! Capital letters! Unless somebody here knows something different. This is why a lot of black people are trying to take their children out of school and send them where some white people are...so they can learn something. The schools are a mess...education. Go right down the list. This is how you measure. Scientifically. The entertainment field, you ought to turn that off. Most of it. Look at the movies. Look at the TV shows. Monkey shows! Its a disgrace! Every now and then you come up with something like "Nothing But A Man". Something that has a decent message to it. But most of it is just pure trash. Labor...couple with the rest of it, economic. Law...OJ Simpson's case blew up in everybody's face. Thats just one example. Politics. They even wanted Colin Powell to run for President. After all these years...why? Basically because maybe he can straighten out this race mess. Thats what some white people thought. But, Colin Powell said, no. You made the mess, you straighten it out. I'm retiring. I'll sign a few books, and thats it, I'm outta here. No you're not gonna use me to come in, because this is happening in politics everywhere. They're bringing in black people to become mayors and congressmen and all like that...Because everything is a complete shambles! Now I don't wanna walk in on any situation and say I am now DE MAYOR...and I look around and all the moneys gone. (Laughter) See what I'm saying...am I telling the truth or am I? I've got to stick with the truth alright. Religion, forget that! Churches are a mess. Posturing, faking, pretending. Sex. Black people sex activity...white peoples sex activity with black people... the code says, or compensatory logic says that black people should stop having sex with white people period! Until the rest of this mess is straightened out. We're the laughing stock of the world. Thats that trashy bit. I know gonna stomp on some feeling then cause see sex is a great motivating force. So if you don't clean that up, nothing else is gonna be clean. And all of it is war. So wheres the community? What you have is a white community. And its called white supremacy. You don't have any non-white community anywhere...even when it looks like it is. See a prison is not a community! This is prison. Just because I've got cell mates, that doesn't say I'm a community. I'm where I don't want to be. I'm where I shouldn't be. And the black people of this planet are prisoners of war...race war. You're restricted. Thats what prison means. You can't go here. You can't go there without being stopped...and say, wait a minute, hold it, hold it lady, hold it mister...where are you going, what are you doing? Did I give you permission to come here? Well then you go back there. Thats how you know you're not a community. Thats why you know you don't have power. Powerless.
Q: So I guess that goes to your successful black people, you're talking about power...
Fuller: Thats what I mean. In other words, you cannot be a successful black person and be subject to racism at the same time, otherwise, why call yourself, successful BLACK person.
Q: So are you saying that successful should not be linked with black or you cannot be a successful person as a black person?
Fuller: You can't be and subject to racism. Thats a contradiction. If I am subject to racism, I'm not successful. That should be the criteria. We think of success as I got a new car.
Q: No, I wouldn't think of that.
Fuller: Alright, what is success?
Q: When I meet my personal goals then I think that I've had successes in my life.
Fuller: Okay, lets take it...what would be the personal goal?
Q: Like my, my, uh, ulterior motive to receive my Ph.D.. So I've been successful in that motive.
Fuller: A Ph.D. is what you call a degree of learning...right. Now learning... I went to Georgetown Day School one time just as a visitor...and the lady who was the director of Georgetown Day School said...told the young people there, black and white...said...the reason you are going to school is to make the world the kinda place it ought to be. Unquote. That hit me like a bomb. Because, that IS the reason. But, see black people are expected to have what you call niggling reasons, meaning small things. Thats what the word niggling means, that why black people are sometimes called niggers. See...small minded people. Impossible for them to think on an grand scale, alright. So we come up and say, I'm successful because I'm able to sharpen one pencil instead of two. I mean two pencils instead of one. Or... because I have gotten my Ph.D... Or because the lady at Georgetown said the reason for getting the Ph.D., or anything else is to make the world the type of place that it ought to be...the entire world! That is your reason. And if you're not doing that, you are thinking on a very tiny infantile scale. That was the message that I got out of her presentation. I go with that message. Because with the world expanding you might say...or contracting...based on the interaction between people, this is what you have.
Q: But, attaining my Ph.D. was not just a personal thing, it was for the betterment of my community. Cause I knew that once I did that, that it allowed other people to have the inspiration necessary to see someone as myself as a mentor to go ahead and follow in my footsteps. And then once I am in my particular place, and this is where I believe in community, each one teach one, I reach back and pull another person back in my place and move on forward. So that I feel that I have made some successes in my life, and hopefully will make more successes for other people. Do you know what I mean.
Fuller: I understand completely what you mean, so its no problem there.
Q: Okay...
Fuller: Its no problem there. But, you know... and you have...you never turn loose to your own definitions. I took these definitions...because I say they are more expansive. They allow a person to soar rather than put themselves in a box. Anybody else has a question, cause I might be towards the end. Am I running out of time sir? Okay...
Q: You shared a group of role that would help us on a personal basis to wash away the stains of racism, do you have recommendations for how we in our towns, in our states, in our country, can make some kind of move as a group...
Fuller: Do I have recommendations...?
Q: For things our country should be doing. The things that our states should be doing to try and also combat the effects of racism...
Fuller: Okay, a State is a person. A country is made up of people. You are a person. The recommendation always is you do the thing that need doing. you say the things that need saying. And you try to be helpful in everything that you do. This is all, this is the whole, whole bit. I started off this talk, you probably wasn't here,...talking about royalism. You gotta get out of the royal idea. Everybody, who has that idea. Its an old idea, its run its course. That everybody is going to be a king and a queen, born royalty over somebody else. And when people run around thinking like this you gonna have automatic war, forever. Because, somebody is always trying to dethrone the king. The Roman emperors used to debate this all the time. You ever saw the TV series "I Claudius"? All they did was engage in palace intrigue. One emperor trying to dethrone another. Even family members turning against each other. You see a little bit of that even in the corporate world. Family members...same members of what you call, a corporate family, and they go to court and they cut each others throats. Its an old dying system. It should be dead. But, when it was put on a color basis, it was made even worse. So everywhere you go you're supposed to be trying to replace racism with justice. And you have to do it as individuals. Thats the whole point for being here in this assembly today. You have to do it as individuals. Fred next door is not gonna do it. You can't depend on that. If you're black or if you're white, you have to do it as individuals. And the main thing you have to be is honest. Tell people the truth. But first ask them cause they might not be ready for it. Say look, you want me to lie to you, or you want me to tell you the truth? I saw that done once in a little television program. The person asked that...every time he'd get ready to say something, he said, do you want me to lie to you or do you want me to tell you the truth? Said, okay, I hope you're ready for it, here it comes, boom! Right, see. And thats the way you should do it, each and every day. In the work place and everywhere else, do you want me to lie to you, do you want me to tell you the truth? Cause the truth usually hurts in a society, a world society thats been set up on lies! We take if for granted we're gonna be lied to. Everybody's got into the habit of it. Deception! Does that answer you're question? Just because I said it doesn't mean that I'm telling you the truth, you gotta watch me too. Anybody else? One more question.
Q: Unintelligible...monsters and monstrosities?
Fuller: The system of white supremacy produces two types of black people. Monsters and Monstrosities. This is according to me...I'm talking about behaviors. I am a monstrosity. The fact that I'm taking up all of this time...considerable time...I mean this is prime time. In the afternoon, in a space center. Electricity burning, heat going. And we're here...and there are people here who could be doing other things. I could be doing other things. I should be somewhere tending a garden, growing cucumbers. I'm in here talking about racism! That makes me a monstrosity! The very fact that I have to do that or feel compelled to do that. I shouldn't be any such thing as a thing called racism. This takes up a lot of time and causes a lot of agony. This makes me a monstrosity just having to be here. Or feeling compelled to be here. Or just going around doing this from time to time. When I could be doing something more constructive, if it weren't for the existence of this dilemma. The monster thing is the fella who's gonna put the nine millimeter behind your ear on the parking lot. Like I said, white supremacy produces two types of black people, monsters and monstrosities. Black people in the monstrosity stage are peculiar acting people. I'm peculiar acting. We're weird acting people. The things that we say are things that most people don't even want to hear. Cause most of the time we don't make sense. Did you ever notice that white people don't want to talk to black people? Yet, its the system of white supremacy that produces the black people that they don't want to talk to. This is not by accident. So they produce monstrosities. And the monstrosity when you take it to the n-th degree, becomes a monster. Becomes something like a thief, or a robber, or a killer, or a person who just goes off! Its the logical conclusion. The white people of this planet cannot point to black people and say now the black people which we took under our tutelage have improved. Really, if you think of it scientifically, a black person who is running around stark naked...with a spear...cause they sometimes say black people are, you know, just ignorant spear chuckers. But a black person, running around stark naked, with a spear...who's never seen a coca cola bottle or a white person or anything except a bunch of mosquitoes and snakes...is really, if you think about it objectively now, scientifically...if you can follow that person around and watch that persons behavior its more civilized than the black people you see walking around with the baggy pants on and the nine millimeter in the belt, and the standing on the subway, looking for a fight, if anybody wants to start one. Thats the product of white supremacy you're looking at. He's just as black as the person who is in what you call the jungle, but, you can sit down with that person in what you call the jungle and make more sense out of that person than you can a product of what we call modern society. Now you figure, how did that happen? Did I answer the question? Okay.
Q: Mr. Fuller? Someone has a question?
Q: So would you say that white delinquents or white criminals are also products of white supremacy? Or is it just the individual people being in adverse circumstances and making bad decisions and looking for the wrong answers to their problems like trying to get easy money quick or trying to hang with the gang and be safe?
Fuller: Right, well I started off the talk talking about royalism. You see, it used to be that white people persecuted white people. Just like you have in what you call central Europe now. In Bosnia. Those are white people killing white people, alright, kind of a hang over from the old days. But when the white people of this planet began to explore and move about, they noticed that most of the people on the planet were what you might call quote, unquote, non-white. So the said, lets move the old royal system, where you used to have serfs and slaves among our own and lets put it on a color basis. And it took off on a grand scale and its been a booming enterprise for many years. Now some white people as individuals, fall through the cracks. They become what I call white sacrifices. In other words, they are a part of the white supremacist system, but, they fall through the cracks. In other words, like in any army you're gonna have some casualties. So the white man that ends up on the park bench, broke, hungry, begging for dimes...that wasn't supposed to happen. But in any big organization you have some people who weren't supposed to get hurt, who get hurt. Thats why this is. But it wasn't set up for that. If you are a white person it was set up to benefit you at the expense of any person classified as non-white. Thats how its set up. You didn't set it up, I didn't set it up, but, thats how it was set up.
Q: Mr. Fuller, I have a question. I my experience in dealing with the topic of racism in the workplace or otherwise when addressing the topic to white people, and I take this back to your earlier, what you said earlier about white people knowing how to dismantle the system or white supremacists knowing how to dismantle the system, what I've found is that often white people are reluctant or fearful of the exchange, the exchange, the verbal exchange and I guess... the other thing is its taken about two years to set this particular session up, because of various peoples fears...I guess their perception about what would happen when the type of language that you're using is used on an installation like this. I wonder if you could speak to the fear thats involved there, and how would a non-white person who is a victim of racism ask or coerce a white person who says they want to end racism, to help, if they can't get past the language?
Fuller: They have to get past the language. If they want to do something about the problem, rather than keep trying to sweep it up under the rug, because they've run out of rugs! Theres no place to sweep it now. The world is getting too small. Its... you see magazine covers saying the "browning" of everything...the people coming across the borders. You see, when you go and stir people up somewhere, and then go home and lay down and go to sleep, the next thing you know, those same people are knocking on your door...saying, Hey Daddy, you ran off and left me! You know, I didn't know who you were or where you came from, but, you did come and then you set up a way of doing things that made me dependent on you...so here I am! So now you have a world welfare system, where the non-white people of the world are knocking on the door of the white people saying wait a minute, you taught me to do everything the way you want it done, which means now, I am dependent upon you! See, the best way to talk to white people about it...and if I was a white person, to get you off of my back, I would say now look, I'm gonna make you dependent upon yourself. And I'm gonna give you everything it takes to make you...because I am tired of you running to me , bothering me, you're getting to be a real nuisance. Okay, but, white people won't make that decision, because they continue to want to ego trip off of this royal concept. When all they have to do is just dump it. Just go to all these different places, I don't care...Brazil, Africa, and what not, and just say, look...you are no longer beholden to me...I'm outta here! I'll just teach you how to do everything thats got to be done, you don't have to call me any more to do the plumbing and the electricity or none of the rest of this stuff. And I'm outta here. But they won't be honest about it. See, they like to strut and thats what the problem is and you're got to tell them that strutting is no longer paying off for anybody. The queen, even today,...of England...likes to go around to places like Jamaica and have everybody drop what they're doing while she rides by in a coach. What is that! That doesn't produce anything! But this is the kinda nonsense that racism spawns. Its nothing but royalism, if you don't like the term racism just think of royalty cause thats all it is. AND ITS DEAD...it should be dead! I mean as far as in principle.
Q: And one more question, I wanted to ask you about peoples practice of religion, and you have on the bottom left hand corner...the strongest religion in the world. Maybe you can go into the definition of religion.
Fuller: Religion is just a strong belief.
Q: Okay, and in terms of people practicing their religion and the amount of time...like one of the questions I've heard you ask is can a Christian be a racist, can a Muslim be a racist, and so on...
Fuller: No, a white supremacist is a racist. You cannot be a Christian and be a white supremacist at the same time. Its impossible! A Muslim cannot be a racist, a Jew cannot be a racist. You are either a white supremacist or you're not. Either you believe that being white entitles you to be royal, where you can mistreat people who are of color at will, or you don't believe that. And if you believe in white supremacy you don't believe in any other religion. Its impossible. Because you're religion will contradict...in other words you'll be a hypocrite. Big time. Which is not unique for a racist because being a racist calls for you to be a hypocrite. Cause you have to lie. If you're just a professional liar you're a hypocrite, you got to lie to everybody, you got to lie on the job, you got to tell people things that are not so. You're hypocritical if you profess that you're something else.
Q: What would you call a person, then, who is a servant to white supremacy and thereby supports the system of white supremacy and is non-white...as far as...if they're not practicing...if they say that they're Christians and they're not practicing Christianity because they're supporting white supremacy, what do you call them then?
Fuller: Victims. Thats all. A person who is trying to practice something and can't, because the racists will not allow the victims to do anything except be beholden to them. If you have a religion where you call yourself a Christian or a Jew, or a Hindu, or a Confucianist, and the white supremacist come along and say, "I don't agree with that part of your religion, take it out"...thats what you have to do...if you want to be employed the next day. Thats the way it works. Thats why you know its the most powerful religion. Cause they'll make you change your religion to suit them. They'll do it in five minutes. It doesn't take long, they'll break your faith completely by just simply saying, you can't do it. Even where you're gonna have your church, they decide that. Does that answer your question?
Q: Yes it does.
Fuller: I'm exhausting people now, this is a subject that needs to be exhaustive. You need to be groggy with it. So much so you can't stand anymore. And then go back in and get some more. You ever saw the movie Twelve O'clock High? Gregory Peck,...its about bombers over Germany, and he said we've got these handful of planes, this handful of people, we gonna have to take these young fellas and put them over Germany every day and every night until they are groggy so much that they can't keep their eyes open and then when they come back with their planes all shot to pieces and what-not we're gonna have to patch them up, patch them up, patch their planes up, load them up with bombs and send em right back up again! Say, we gotta find out what a maximum effort is. When you're talking about the race issue thats exactly the approach that everybody should take. You just keep going until you drop. And that should be your priority in this existence. Cause its the biggest thing on the burner. You can't claim theres nothing more important than this... whether you're black or white. It dictates, it dictates everything. First thing you have to think about. If a white person sitting in here decides that he or she is gonna buy a house, before he or she even considers the mortgage rate, he or she has to consider where the house is going to be. Cause you go take a look and its right on the edge of what we call a black neighborhood,... don't buy no house there! Property values gonna go through the floor. Not only that somebody's gonna be crawling through your window about the night that you move in. So you've gotta think about color. Whether you like it or not. Any more questions, cause we got about two minutes.
Q: Mr. Fuller, its often said that people have tried to espouse whats call to be integration as a solution to the problem of racism. Whats your opinion on that suggested solution?
Fuller: Well, I don't like the word integration because I don't know what it means. That why I started calling myself a "compensationalist" meaning making up for whats missing...whats missing is Justice. See, so you can throw racial segregation out, racial integration out, because you can't define it. Where is an integrated black person? Is it any place I can go and get a certificate that makes me a bonifide racially integrated black person? Where everybody understands what its supposed to mean? Where I can walk in and say, "oh, I'm an integrated black person"...and then like magic, all the nice things are supposed to happen. You can't say that integration means a black person standing next to a white person. Black people go to bed with white people, but, has that solved the race problem? You can't get any closer than that...sexual intercourse. Hasn't not solved not one thing...got O.J. in trouble...Big time. Both black people and white people are angry about it. You wanna make some white people mad, or some black people, and get an argument started just mention...hey, what your situation on O.J.? Particularly about one or two days after the verdict. If you really push it the bricks might start flying. We've got a serious race problem here. That what it is. Did I answer your question? Did I answer your question? Okay. Well, thats about it folks and I hope that you got some food for thought out of it, I'm sorry that you didn't...you mostly just asked questions, you didn't get up and challenge me on anything, because like one white person has said about me this week, what I do I spread a bunch of lies. That could be true! Its up to you to decide. Thanks for coming.

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This interview is brought to you by the Awake Study Group, c/o Black History Club at GSFC at Greenbelt Maryland. Any inquiries as to this document should be directed to John S. Bilal II, Workforce Diversity Committee at Code 220, NASA, GSFC, Greenbelt Road, Greenbelt, Maryland 20771. Thank You, PEACE.

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