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From: Alexander X
Date: 27 Sep 2002
Time: 03:48:22
Remote Name: 142.163.201.65
I'll assume you've never lived in Cuba, so I understand your confusion. You are arguing several points which I have no interest in refuting, as I agree with them. Yet you seem to miss the point of everything I've said. Here goes...
<<"...it serves only to cause more confusion. Counter racist logic reveals that there are only 3 types of people in the world: whites, nonwhites, and racists/white supremacists.">>
well, I would say that there are only two types, white and non-white. White supremacists would have to fall in the white category.
<<Alexander X wrote: "My point is I don't think It'll happen."--I respect your opinion..but I disagree based on counter-racist logic.>>
Your logic is flawed, because of a lack of personal experience. Why do you think you ask white people questions? because they know things about being white that non-white people do not. In much the same way, to understand racial dynamics in Cuba (ie, how white supremacy works there) you have to either observe it first hand (live in Cuba, as a Cuban, for a while) or get someone to tell you.
<<Read how confusing this is: (my Codified analysis in parenthses)
Statement#1: "Miami Cubans that are functioning as white also happen to be white. the majority of Cubans are non-white. Also, the majority of mexicans are non-white. The difference is most Cubans are a mix of african and spanish..." --(You mean nonwhite and white? By the logic then, most Cubans are nonwhite) "...and most mexicans are mestizos." {Mestizo= Indian (red/brown) and white}--(By the logic then, most mexicans are nonwhite) >>
<<Therefore: most 'Cubans' and most 'Mexicans' are nonwhites, I agree.>>
So there is no dispute over that one. Keep in mind though, when I say "most Cubans" i do mean the majority. About 37% of the Population in Cuba is white.
<<Statement #2: "Also, miami cubans aren't mistreating blacks to fit in with white america...Miami cubans mistreat black because that is what is done in Cuba." (and in Russia, and in Carolinas, and in Jamaica, and in Germany, etc. Most Cubans [NONWHITES] mistreat blacks to fit in with the System of White World Supremacy, which knows no boundaries)>>
Yes, exactly. And white cubans who practice white supremacy will continue to do so once they have entered the US. They function as white in Cuba, and they function as white in the US.
<<Statement #3: "I'm not sure if you understand, but on a racial level, I can't think of any country to compare Cuba to."--(Neither can I, since White World Supremacy is global, not local. No matter where you go, a nigga is a nigga and that nigga is NOT white)>>
Again, your lack of experience living in said country is showing. Mulattos are "part-white" and therefore get to function as "part-white." If Huey P. Newton (one of the original founders of the Black Panthers) had been born in Cuba, there is a HUGE chance he wouldn't have given a damn about black people. Why? because he wouldn't have been treated as black. You are trying to over-simplify.
<<Statement #4: "Again, pale-skinned Cubans are White."--(Because they mistreat blacks on the basis of color, NOT because of phenotype, or 'looks')>>
Phenotype is what gets you in the door. If, for instance, you were Polish when they were treated as non-white, you could change your name and lie. Jews can say "no, i'm not a jew." A black man is a nigger no matter what the hell he says.
<<Statement #5: "...they are recognized as white by all other groups and they identify themselves as white.--(They're recognized as white by the only group that matters..white people)>>
yes, and everyone else accepts what white people say. What I said stands unchallenged here.
<<Statement #6: "it's to be expected that they do in Little Havana what they did in "Big Havana"--(Which reinforces my point that White Supremacy/Racism is a global, not a local system)>>
I think it's hardly fair to call this one "your point." I think you'll find that that is a subject that has come up here several times, and I think everyone has been in agreement on this one for quite some time now...
<<BOTTOM LINE..if several NONWHITE groups have already made the 'phase-shift', what makes you think one more won't? Regards, 0.6Man, where 0.6=3/5>>
Every group that was classified as non-white that has "shifted" to being white has been pale-skinned, ie not "visable minorities." If you can be identified as non-white without having to say anything, then you are non-white for life.
Now, I am sure it's possible that speaking spanish will one day stop automatically putting you on the non-white list, but Cuban blacks and mulattos and Mexican indians and mestizos won't be "shifting" anytime soon. Speaking english doesn't make you white, does it? Isn't it foolish to think speaking spanish will???
Alexander